Gen. Clark's Comments on McCain -- Did He Really Say Anything Wrong?

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
by Amy Weiss

Bob Schieffer: General-could I just interrupt you-I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down.

General Wesley Clark: I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president...

-- Face the Nation (CBS), 6/29/08

After a careful reading of Article II of the U.S. Constitution, it appears General Wesley Clark is correct. "Riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down" is neither a qualification nor a requirement nor a recommended prerequisite to being president.

Sen. John McCain's service is, deservedly, heralded as heroic by many, including Gen. Clark. "I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war," Clark also said on Face the Nation. "He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war."

No one associated with the Obama campaign is challenging Sen. McCain's status as a war hero, as supporters of President Bush most certainly did to Sen. John Kerry in 2004. However, it is important that McCain's war hero status doesn't exempt him from being challenged on his foreign policy experience or understanding.

Since Gen. Clark's appearance on Face the Nation, cable news networks have used convenient lead-ins to the effect of "How did McCain respond to Gen. Wesley Clark's attack on his service?" No doubt this take on Clark's comments led Senator Obama to include in his speech about patriotism in Independence, Missouri Monday:

"Beyond a loyalty to America's ideals, beyond a willingness to dissent on behalf of those ideals, I also believe that patriotism must, if it is to mean anything, involve the willingness to sacrifice [...] for those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country -- no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary. Let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters of both sides. We must always profess our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform, period."

Sen. Obama's comments, which also included a promise that he would never question the patriotism of anyone during his campaign, are admirable. But where do they conflict with what Gen. Clark said? He was not asking for further proof of McCain's willingness to sacrifice for his country or questioning his patriotism; he was merely pointing out that his military service and work in the Senate may not actually equate to the level of foreign policy experience his campaign portrays he has.

On Face the Nation, when Bob Schieffer pointed out that Sen. Obama did not have the experience that Gen. Clark asserted Sen. McCain did not have either, Gen. Clark agreed and said:

"But Barack is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on his strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment and those are qualities we seek in our national leadership."

In responding to a question about Gen. Clark's comments at a campaign event in Pennsylvania, Sen. McCain said: "I think that kind of thing is unnecessary. I'm proud of my record of service, and I have plenty of friends and leaders who will attest to that."

Again, nothing Gen. Clark said indicated he thought Sen. McCain was not or should not be proud of his record of service. McCain could have taken an opportunity to explain here why Clark was wrong and how, in fact, his military service would be an asset in the presidency. Instead he responded to something Clark never said and quickly turned the discussion away from foreign policy at all.

Obviously Sen. McCain's military service demonstrates certain leadership qualities and he is wise to use it as part of his campaign. But because he uses that experience as a reason he is equipped to be president, it is something open to analysis. The Republican response and media characterization of Gen. Clark's remarks took a respectfully critical argument and portrayed it as an attack that has since incurred further attacks. That's exactly what is wrong with campaigns today. As Sen. Obama said in the same speech:

"Abraham Lincoln did not simply win a war or hold the Union together. In his unwillingness to demonize those against whom he fought; in his refusal to succumb to either the hatred or self-righteousness that war can unleash; in his ultimate insistence that in the aftermath of war the nation would no longer remain half slave and half free; and his trust in the better angels of our nature - he displayed the wisdom and courage that sets a standard for patriotism."

Here's to hoping we see some of those better angels on both sides of the aisle on the road to November 4.

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

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McCain and understanding risk.

"Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility."- General Wesley Clark Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.) Defending Wes Clark As a retired military officer and a soldier who served his country for over thirty years, I can tell you that there's nothing in what Wes Clark said with which I disagree. He has not only stated the facts, he knows something about them. John McCain was a prisoner of war, an officer who served as a squadron commander, and has been and is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. John McCain can put his service to country up against anyone's. But General Clark has served also -- and with great courage: he was wounded four times in Vietnam -- and like John McCain, he has met and seen the enemy. Is what Wesley Clark said true? Let's check some other facts: John McCain made claims about progress in security by walking through the streets of Baghdad. But as I recall, he was protected by at least a platoon of American soldiers and helicopters lying overhead. In matters of national security, as General Clark pointed out, "it's a matter of understanding risk," and it's "gauging your opponents;" and it's also a "matter of being held accountable." So I too honor John McCain. And, like General Clark, I acknowledge his sacrifice for his country. But being a prisoner of the Vietnamese and serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee does not automatically qualify one for the position of Commander-in-Chief -- understanding risks, gauging your opponents and being held accountable does. We must end this glib obeisance to sacrifice and ask deeper questions: is a man who sings "bomb, bomb, bomb ... bomb, bomb Iran" a man who understands risks? Is a man who says that we must keep our troops in Iraq until we achieve an ill-defined "victory" really know how to gauge America's opponents. If we want to hold people accountable, then let's stand behind my friend Wes Clark -- and hold John McCain accountable for what he's said. Oh, and one more thing: today President Bush signed the GI Bill -- which Senator Barack Obama has unstintingly supported. The bill will spend $63 billion over ten years for increased college aid for military service members and veterans who served after September 11, 2001. Good judgment? John McCain opposed it. Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.) is the steering committee chairman of Vets for Obama. Visit their official site or join them on Facebook. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lt-general-robert-g-gard-jr-/defending-wes-clark_b_110089.html

Anything wrong?

Please refresh my memory. Did Bob Schieffer, brother of W.'s business partner, exhibit the same level of indignation when the Swift Boat Liars not only questioned Kerry's fitness for office but also the legitimacy of his 2 purple hearts? Did McCain voice support of Kerry's military service or extol his bravery in rescuing his subordinate who was thrown overboard?

General Clark's Comments

The McCain camapign has a lot to fear on addressing this issue as the "mythology" will likely expose a perceived "super star" to a sub average performing individual. This is a repeat of the George W. Bush Texas National Guard story which to date, has been buried. General Clark is speaking his truth in a time when truth is an endangered species. Hopefully, an independent investigative reporter will do the vetting of John McCain's military service record.

General Clark Was Right on the Mark

The mucked up American media is totally distorting the story. Clark never impugned McCain's patriotism, he just allowed that getting shot down and being held as a prisoner-of-war does not qualify one to be the president of the United States. Karen Hedwig Backman

Bush & McCain's Military Records

Why is it that the dynamic duo of McCain and Bush have some similarities in their military records? McCain was at best the lowest ranking student at the Naval Academy. He destroyed 3 planes while training due to his incompetence and his inabilities to fly a plane may be evident in his getting shot down over Viet Nam. Bush always has been a coward when it came to serving the country. He was a draft dodger and a deserter. Much worse, having avoiding a deserved casualty in Viet Nam he's made up for it by destroying the lives of 4100 American lives (and counting) along with hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians to cover his guilt. And this idiotic country elected this man for two terms (if the stupid democrats challenged Florida about disenfranchised voters Gore would have been president) and possibly will elect a Bush clone for one more. The Republican Party has always placed $$$ over the value of human life. It's no more evident than in the immoral, illegal war fought simply for oil in Iraq and of course supported by John McCain.

General Clark's execution at the hands of the corporate media

Wesley Clark was right on with his comments about John McCain. He's been selling his qualifications as president because he knew how to fly a plane, sorta. What else qualifies a man who destroyed 3 planes while in training and was called a "hotdog" at the time? Are all the POW's in every war qualified to be president or do they need to have wealth and political connections and a legacy in the military? No, America doesn't need a gigantic flip-flopper, one who will do or say anything to become president! Nor do we need a third Bush term to complete the destruction of this country....

Thank You General Clarke!!!!

I'm glad someone finally said what I've been saying for months! He could have gone further. McInsane graduated near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, wasn't on the ground in Vietnam, and flew few missions of aerial killing before he was shot down. He spent nearly the entire war as as P.O.W., and if his story is correct, probably has an good case of PTSD, as far as I know, untreated. P.T.S.D. does not simply go away and he has shown a number of the symptoms of it. Like rages and other inappropriate behavior. The last thing we need in the White House is more psychopathology. We've had enough of that the last 7 1/2 years.

Why can't General Clark say that?

Why can't General Clark say that? (0 / 0) Andrea Mitchell and MSM is full of bushit ! We have had one president with dementia (bonzo reagan) and McMonster scares the living hell out of me. Even "RAY CHARLES" God rest his soul can "SEE" that McMunster has had way to much chemo therapy or just old age,and is suffering from some kind of serious dementia ! I hope people who can get media attention like Gen. Clark really start hitting the mad hatter McMunster hard on his mental condition in addition to his inability to manage anything ! I hope Gen. Clark reminds the voters that McMunster has never had a real job ! He has always been a government employee sucking on the taxppayers tit ! He has at least (3) three government "taxpayer paid for" retirement and health care plans now ! Remember how much bonzo (reagan) hated "TRIPLE DIPPERS" ???? He should be hit hard as a "welfare queen" triple dipper every day !!!

The Corporate Media won't question anything --- Somebody has to

The Corporate Media has bought, hook, line, and sinker, the whole "war hero" resume, of John McCain. Nobody has questioned that he crashed a plane into Corpus Christi Bay. Nobody in the so-called "mainstream" press, has questioned any of the other "mis-haps" he had while flying for the Navy. The question in my mind is simply this: "why are we even surprised that he got shot down over Viet Nam? His record as a pilot was suspect anyway." That he was a POW, is not in question. He was. The question is: "Does having been a POW, in the Viet Nam war, qualify as one of the criteria for leading the most powerful nation in the world?" General Clark obviously does not think it does. I agree with General Clark.

Gen. Clark just made the

Gen. Clark just made the mistake of stating the obvious about corporate media's image casting of Arthur Burns McCain as King Arthur.

General Clark' Comment

I find it rather amusing coming from Wesley Clark at the very least since that was what he was using in his own campaign a few years back. Do you not think that Obama would be using his military record if he had one. Now they are all excited in the Obama campaign because they are trying to get and endorsement from Colin Powell because it would give Obama military and foreign policy credentials. What credentials would those be exactly? Lying to the UN, the American people and the world about the weapons of mass destruction when you knew you were lying and were only telling the lies you were comfortable telling. This is very hypocritical of Obama and his campaign. They want to earn credibility through someone elses service but when someone uses his own service and sacrifice for his county he is subjected to ridicule. Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive. I see it this way you only recognize hypocracy when it comes from the Republicans but not when it comes from the "Annointed One" Barrack Obama. By the way I am a much more enlighted Democrat than I was for the last 36 years and I am going to call 'em as I see 'em regardless to who is spreading the BS. This year I think it is being spread a little deeper by the Dems.

Clark is particularly qualified to comment on McCain's service

Gen Clark did not in any way impugn McCain's military service or his character! What Clark stated is that McCain's pilot training and experience in serving as a fighter pilot does not qualify as experience in military command leadership nor in any way does it include executive decision making in the running of a war. Neither does McCain's experience as a POW particularly qualify him to win the presidency. Clark emphatically stated that McCain is a genuine American hero who must be honored for his military service - for volunteering to serve his country in time of war and should indeed be recognized for the sacrifices he made while suffering as a POW. By the way, so is Clark a genuine American hero who is a retired General of the United States Army, was valedictorian of his class at West Point and a graduate of the Command and General Staff College and who served and was wounded several times in Vietnam before continuing his military career going on to reach the rank of Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000. As such Clark is particularly qualified to form an opinion as to what military service would or would not qualify as experience in making executive level military decisions or experience in formulating the strategies of running a war.

I don't think miilitary service

should be used as a criteria at all. Is this a criteria for the leadership of any other developed nation in the world? It says a lot about our national mind set that it is such a big deal. Having said that, General Clarke has much more experience than McCain ever could have. He only said what millions of us have been thinking all along.

get use to it

its election time once again.Everything democrats say will be taken out of context and the twisted misinterpretations will be used against them.Get use to it.

General Clark's Comments Concerning Senator McCain

I thought General Clark did a masterful job of being both deliberate and careful with his words as he expressed his views concerning the McCain spin on foreign policy expertise. Nothing the General said was out of line or in anyway denigrated the Senator's character, his military service record, his years as a senator, or his patriotism. For corporate media, McCain campaign operatives and others to continue saying otherwise amounts to nothing more than pure pretense and/or propaganda. One should not be required to concede the high ground on foreign policy expertise to the Senator from Arizona. It is abundantly clear to anyone who has closely followed McCain's senatorial acts over the years (including some important acts of omission) that he is wide open to much legitimate criticism. The real concern I have in all this is that the Obama campaign not only failed to cover the General's back, but Senator Obama himself apparently chose to throw the man under the wheels of the bus in an awkward attempt to cover one's own political ass!

All That General Clark Said

...is that serving in the military and being a prisoner of war are not necessarily qualifications to serve as President of the United States. And, he was right. Senator Obama did not throw him under a bus; he simply reiterated that he is not (unlike many other candidates) running a smear campaign.

Military Service No Guarantee of Electoral Success

Bush did military service. Sort of. Kerry did combat military service and failed to get elected. Clinton never did any military. Bush 41 was a combat Navy flier, and had a good war story to go with it. Reagan did his military service in Hollywood on movie sets. Carter was a Navy sub commander. Ford was a Navy flier. Nixon was a Naval officer. LBJ never served. Kennedy, Navy. Eisenhower, one of the highest ranking officers ever to become president, at least as important as Washington. And the list goes on and on. Even Lincoln served in the Black Hawk war against those pesky prairie Indians. But aside from the fact that he got shot down and tortured for five years, McCain was not particularly distinguished as a Navy flier. He never held a command post. And he was close to the bottom in his class at Annapolis. http://mcbush08.blogspot.com

LBJ served in WWII

He also was awarded a Silver Star and retired with the rank of Commander.

Attacks in 2000 on McCain's military service

How about a series of the old articles of 2000 showing Bush supporters' attacks on McCain's military service?

Clark stands behind his comments (per Ben Smith)

Ben Smith of Politico posted this additional comment by Clark a few minutes ago:

"In a statement to reporters, retired General Wes Clark repeats that McCain is a "hero" but also reiterates his point that McCain's service didn't give him "executive experience":

There are many important issues in this Presidential election, clearly one of the most important issues is national security and keeping the American people safe. In my opinion, protecting the American people is the most important duty of our next President. I have made comments in the past about John McCain's service and I want to reiterate them in order be crystal clear. As I have said before I honor John McCain's service as a prisoner of war and a Vietnam Veteran. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. I would never dishonor the service of someone who chose to wear the uniform for our nation.

John McCain is running his campaign on his experience and how his experience would benefit him and our nation as President. That experience shows courage and commitment to our country - but it doesn't include executive experience wrestling with national policy or go-to-war decisions. And in this area his judgment has been flawed - he not only supported going into a war we didn't have to fight in Iraq, but has time and again undervalued other, non-military elements of national power that must be used effectively to protect America But as an American and former military officer I will not back down if I believe someone doesn't have sound judgment when it comes to our nation's most critical issues."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Clark_wont_back_down.html

Wes Clark

Why does being shot down and held prisoner qualify you to be President a/k/a (in this day and age) commander in chief? It doesn't. McCain was a hot dog in those days, had at least 4 "accidents," and then was finally shot down by the Vietcong. Not only does it not make him a hero, it makes him guilty of bad judgment. Apparently, McCain doesn't have good judgment or a temperament you'd want to see in a President (a/k/a see above), his qualifications are no better than Obama's and, from his co-government employees, worse. He has a temper. He doesn't tolerate dissent. He doesn't respect women. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Clark was right. We all know why Obama can't say that. But Clark was right. Be of good cheer.

Hot Dog

ElleninBigD, you hit the nail right on the head..One of my best friends graduated with McCain from the Naval Academy...He also became a fighter pilot and flew with McCain...I was told McCain lost two perfectly good airplanes because of pilot errors...The only reason he didn't get repremanded or thrown out of the Navy was because his father and grandfather were Admirals...Read this article to see what kind of person McCain really is...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Altho Clark should have said

Altho Clark should have said it more tactfully - it is a valid point -- "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president..." Am quite sure there are hundreds of pilots out there who we WOULDN'T want on the ballot that have been shot down. As McCain boasts his experience in the military as a "qualification" we (the public) should have the opportunity to be review his military RECORD. (Not just a snapshot of the record) Being 5th from the bottom of his West Point class - says quite a bit. He seems to do "just enough" to "get by" Reminds me of GW's reserve experience. Wonder if those records will ever come to light.

so mccain't uses his

so mccain't uses his grandfather's and father's influence to get into military academy, has no talent at all and graduates very nearly last in his class, then gets his ass shot down over enemy territory. he gets severely injured ejecting and then gets his ass beat by the local villagers who naturally hate him symbolically because american planes keep bombing civilians and killing plenty of women and children. he gets dragged off to a prison camp and within a few weeks they somehow figure out whose son he is and switch him to very preferential treatment. he was not kept in a half flooded bamboo cage playing russian roulette for five years.

McCain kills 1688 soldiers in "hotdogging" mishap

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