John McCain and the Conspiratorial Left's Brain Droppings

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

I know this is asking for the impossibly rational, but wouldn't it be grand if the right's counterpart of the lunatic fringe took an overdue vacation this election cycle? The forces of progressive reason have a long road ahead in the race against John McCain, and they really aren't helped by leftist versions of Richard Hofstadter's "paranoid style."

In merely the last 48 hours, for example, I've received multiple "news alerts" from left-wing crackpots that ask such representative questions as, "Was John McCain Brainwashed by His North Vietnamese Captors to Destroy This Nation?" There is then a link supplied that answers the question, which, without reading, one knows will be in the shocking affirmative.

But my answer is this: Is the passing on of clinical imbecility like that supposed to help the progressive cause? With so much material to legitimately hammer McCain on, is this the kind of counterproductive, conspiracy-theory crap that the "cyber"-left really wishes to invest in?

Such garbage is not atypical of the Web, of course, but it does require a truly peculiar frame of mind to thrive. The right has always seen bogeymen everywhere, as Hofstadter so brilliantly chronicled; but, sad to say, the left is not exempt. It has its own embarrassment of paranoid and conspiratorial riches. And as it lays them out it does damage to the quite rational arguments made against conservative pols like John McCain, because the right merrily plucks them out as typical, just typical, of what the left is saying.

I myself have never quite fathomed that frame of mind -- the conspiratorial, we-know-the-real-truth frame of mind -- yet there's no doubt about its humiliating but growing relationship to the progressive cause. In recent years, for instance, the right has had a splendid time of it deriding the likes of the immensely conspiratorially minded "9/11 Truth Movement," which, since it is virulently anti-Bush, is easily associated in the minds of many voters with the progressive anti-Bush movement. And, indeed, not a few among the latter are card-carrying members.

The "9/11 Truthers" are every bit as stubborn as Oliver Stone and, almost unbelievably, they're still making headlines and enlisting celebrity support. You may have read that their latest inductee is former Governor Jesse Ventura, who, as one headline blasts, now says "WTC Collapse a Controlled Demolition." This also briefly made the network news, which occasionally picks up on the ravings of the Web and conspiracy-talk radio, which is where Ventura originally snapped.

Sure enough, I was instantly notified of this "breaking news" by a rabidly "progressive" emailer in what can only be described as an unremitting crusade to harm the legitimate case against the Bush administration in all its miserable manifestations. Because this sort of stuff is just plain nuts and it taints the progressive opposition.

Now, the same harm to the legitimate case to be made against John McCain is in the conspiratorial, paranoid works and increasingly on the Web. The Arizona senator, we're told, is the real thing -- the Manchurian Candidate, brainwashed by the North Vietnamese.

Some might take comfort, if not intellectual refuge, in the historical fact that, as Joseph Ellis notes in American Creation, the Democratic Party was, in large part, itself founded on lunatic conspiracy theories. Hence today's Manchurian candidate garbage is nothing new. It seems comical now, but the pre-party organizers of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison actually believed -- really, truly, genuinely believed -- that Alexander Hamilton's formation of the first Bank of the United States was absolute proof "that a Federalist plot was afoot" to restore monarchical rule.

Like the 9/11 Truthers and Manchurian candidate jazzers, the Jeffersonians had not an ounce of evidence to support their claims, but "one advantage that Jefferson and Madison enjoyed ... was their Virginia base, which gave them a safe haven to develop their conspiratorial conversation and a supportive constituency already primed to understand" the skulduggery "without any extended explanations." Just think of what they could have accomplished had they had the Web.

Out of this came the hysterical pushback of the early Democratic Party, which was "rendered even more passionate because, truth be known, the [conspiracy believers] had not the dimmest understanding of what Hamilton was talking about." Sorting out the young nation's fiscal mess was a dreadfully complex business, so it was easier to write off any unwanted attempts at it to a vast, Federalist conspiracy. In the end, "Jefferson ... reached the conclusion that the bank was not just unconstitutional, it was actually treasonable."

Laughable? You bet. But so is today's political currency that will buy you such utter nonsense as John McCain having been "brainwashed" by the North Vietnamese and, for that reason, has now set upon us to "destroy this nation." Is it not enough to properly frame him as a blind imperialist? Or a certifiable economus ignoramus? With all that going for it, does the progressive opposition really need to hustle pure and embarrassing crap that only makes a laughingstock of the left?

Unfortunately, those responsible for hustling said crap likely won't have the dimmest understanding of what I'm talking about, either, so I probably just wasted nearly 900 words.

 

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It's Not Left Or Right No More

"What instead?" "Whether or not we elect a president who'll end the Iraq War, negotiate with Iran plus turning things around here at home." "If we don't" "Doomsday." "And if we do?" "Oh happy day."

closer to the truth

I myself have never quite fathomed that frame of mind --self aggrandizing progressive anti-Bush movement, we-know-the-real-truth frame of mind -- yet there's no doubt about their humiliating but growing relationship to the 9/11 truth movement. In recent years, for instance, the right has had a splendid time of it deriding the likes of the "immensely holier than thou left gatekeepers," which, since they are virulently anti-Bush, are easily associated in the minds of many voters with the people who are concerned that the government is lying about and covering up evidence of what happened on 9/11.

Read This

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514 Then try to frame what happened on 9/11 as mere government incompetence. Mr. Carpenter tries to suprciliously trivialize the hard work, investigations, and concerns of the 9/11 truth movement by associating it with the whacky theory that McCain is a Manchurian Candidate as though the two ideas were of comparable value and can be comparably dismissed. He is employing the same guilt by tenuous association that he complains is harming the progressive movement. "yet there's no doubt about its humiliating but growing relationship to the progressive cause. In recent years, for instance, the right has had a splendid time of it deriding the likes of the immensely conspiratorially minded "9/11 Truth Movement," which, since it is virulently anti-Bush, is easily associated in the minds of many voters with the progressive anti-Bush movement. And, indeed, not a few among the latter are card-carrying members." Mr. Carpenter has written a specious 900 words of drivel.

Um - Just Proved Mr. Carpenter's Point Much?

Reading through the responses today, I'm reminded of something my wife is fond of saying, "The question is always the answer - provided you want the answer badly enough." John McCain is quite bad enough on his own - he doesn't need his own X-FILES/MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE global conspiracy scenario to make him worse. By the same token, those people who attempted the other day to "prove" Hillary Clinton really truly DID brave sniper fire in Bosnia, even though the video record shows otherwise, smacks of the "recovered memories" crowd that have turned child abuse cases into witch hunts. And while it would be a great kvell to finally discover The Traitor Bush's complicity in the 9/11 attacks, there's still no credible evidence he and his handlers were anything other than criminally negligent there. If you want to be The Lone Gunmen ferreting out deep International Trilateral Commission/Illuminati/Zionist Conspiracies - well, that's your right...just as it's our right to say, "You know, given the 'evidence' you've presented, that sounds kind of farfetched...."

blah

blah blah blah babble babble blah blah. That should suffice to prove Mr. Carpenters point. Much.

so how nuts were they

Actually it's interesting to learn that the Democrats (then Republicans) were just as nuts as the Federalists.

You left out the part about Hamilton agitating for a war with France and starting up a defense industry to build a Navy that could fight that war.

In other words, maybe they actually did understand what Hamilton was talking about. It's pretty clear that Hamilton was after power and he had an instinctive understanding that military power and banking was where that power would be found. At the same time, Hamilton and Adams were terrified that the Jacobins would export the French revolution to these shores. They had visions of French invaders bringing their guillotines to Philadelphia where they would cut off the heads of the rich and steal all of their money.

It wasn't clear which was more important, but this paranoia lead to the Alien and Sedition Acts.

The election of 1800 ended Federalist control of congress, but like cockroaches they hid themselves in the judiciary - and a few modern paranoids think they are still there - undermining the republic from within.

9-11 truthers

Someone needs to explain to me why most progressives acknowledge that almost everything the Bush administration says is a lie EXCEPT 9-11. There are three kinds of people that believe the 9-11 official story: the wildly ignorant, Bush partisans, and people to cowardly to admit we have an evil government.

MCCAIN BRAINWASHED-----> HERE IS THE TRUE STORY

it is stoopid to think this is true... science isn't that good or the wealthy would have had dubya bush smarter than a stump.... ON THE OTHER HAND.... YOU MEAN PEOPLE ARE FINALLY REALIZING THAT HIS REAL NAME IS----> JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN.... and that he would govern and torture and lie in the spirit created by....bush cheney rummy condi snow fliesher JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN.... does anyone else think he looks like a PEANUTS character? a really old PEANUTS character? a really old REPUBLICAN peanuts character?

Wasted Words

Not only did you waste 900 words you wasted a great deal mine and my time.

Thanks ...

...for keeping your comment short, it minimized my wasted time reading it...(sorry for wasting your time again)

ditto

ditto

The Lunatic Fringe is sitting in the White House

Everyone likes to think that the far Left is the Lunatic Fringe, but I submit that George Bush, Dick Cheney and their Reactionary Right Wing Christian supporters, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are by far the most extreme far Right Lunatic Fringe. There is not an iota of mainstream ideology in their bones. And John McCain is just as far Right Lunatic Fringe as they come also. And what about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity who blame everything on Democrats in general and the Clenis in particular. Now there you have great examples of what a Lunatic Fringe looks like! Bush thinks God talks to him, for crying out loud! That he tells him to go to war and kill for oil! Pat Robertson says God punished New Orleans because they were going to have a gay parade or that it's all those liberated women who cause hurricanes! Isn't that lunacy?!

TRUTH?

Indeed, 9/11 was the ONE thing that the Bush administration has told the truth about. We can all agree with that. Right?

Truth?

Absolutely not! Just one more lie, just bigger. Go out side the US. Most foreigners KNOW the 9-11 story is BS.

My Comment Was Sarcasm

directed to those who still believe the "official" conspiracy theory and those who who get a tidy sum to keep the whole ugly truth from being exposed.

To ask a question now makes you a Nut? How un-American!

If asking a question of this Administration makes you a nut, then I gladly accept that label. When has this Administration ever told us the truth? 911 gave them the ability to tell nothing but lies. If they could get away with a big one, then they could get away with all the other ones.

We were in shock! And they told us what was. What are you going to believe, their words or your lying eyes? And they made it un-America to question them.

Remember, this country was formed by people who did not believe in not questioning. They fought over everything. They discussed everything. Even the fringe ideas.

Now, were the whole September 11, 2001 events as told, exactly what happened. I don't know. Do you? What is wrong with questions? There will always be those who see bigger conspiracies and those who see none. But questions are always a good thing. An American thing.

Listen, study and learn. If you want to. Believe what is told you. If you want to. That is the American way. But to tell any American to shut up, really........

Answer this question first, and then we can talk.

How did four airline airplanes go off course, over the United States, for that many hours, and not one military plane intercepted any one of the four?

In the nine months proceeding Sept. 11, 2001 events, 67 times the military intercepted airliners and private planes which had gone off course, (the flight plan filed has markers that they must hit at certain times). The golfer Payne Stewart's plane had over 6 military planes go up, a couple within minutes of it's not responding to control tower communication. They followed that plane for hours, until it crashed. They would have shot it down, if it had threatened any city.

I might be able to accept that one plane was somehow overlooked, but not four. These planes weren't just a little late getting to their "mark" zone. They were on a completely different flight path, turned completely around. Headed back toward New York and Washington. That to me would have said WARNING! Send up our fighters to take a look.

And I can not believe that at least one Fighter Jock, (Top Ten Hot Shot Jockey), would not have said, Damn orders. My country is under attack and I am going to go up and defend her. Remember Pearl Harbor and the fighter pilots who without orders ran to their planes, even going to far off fields, to get into any plane to go up and protect America. Not the American Military I know and love.

I don't know who or how or why this happened this way. But, I do want that question asked and answered. I also want to live in a country, where everyone has the right to ask those questions, no matter how "tin foil hat" they may be.

The truth never has anything to fear. Ask away!

Why NORAD didn't intercept the hijacked planes?

That has bugged me to. And the fact that not a single member of the US Air Force at any level was ever court martialled or reprimanded. But not long ago I read, do not know if this is correct, that 9/11 was THE morning Cheney chose to have an exercise which put eighteen additional false blips on NORAD's screens. Pat Williams

But what idiot would have a test across the whole USofA with no

way to stop it if an actual emergency happened during the test. There were something like 21 tests being run that day. Convenient eh? Never happened before. Ever!

No, when Bush had the DIB in August which stated that the "enemy" was determined to attack US USING AIRPLANES, that is not the time to have a across the board, across the US, test, which puts all of NORAD out of play.

If you did something like this for your company, you would be fired.

Explain to me how Bush can, with a straight face, tell us that his job is to protect us and they did this.

Many questions remain, so ask away...BUT.

... "911 truth" contenders should remember that their 'conclusions' are really only educated guesses, at best. I really would like to see the structural engineering community come out on this issue. I've never seen them quoted in my various readings on the topic, and I've surveyed the field a bit. What I'm talking about are Registered Professional Structural Engineers, you know, the people who actually design buildings and require liability insurance because their opinions on building systems really mean something. As a former partner in a large civil engineering firm, I've been involved in various aspects of planning building demolitions, and being on site when they've occurred (I'm not as a structural engineer). Other 'experts' are simply not qualified, or licensed to design, build, or demolish large structures, so their opinions should be qualified as their ruminations about the matter of structural integrity. Unless the American Society of Civil Engineering (ASCE) comes out and supports your claims about the WTC tower collapses, I'll remain suspicious on the numerous claims of certainty about the WTC towers by theologians, radio commentators, internet bloggers, and the odd physics professor or mechanical engineer - none of whom would dare enter a skyscraper they designed.

WTC and Pentagon hit by planes

The aspect that really bothers me is those who insist there never were any airplanes. Aside from all the passengers that were killed, the presence of copious amounts of burning jet fuel was consistent with the planes crashing into the buildings. There has been this issue about the collapse of Building 7 at the WTC which, I believe, housed the emergency center. It has made me wonder. But then, just the other week, I found myself face to face with a living miracle, a fireman who survived being buried in the debris for two hours until rescue. He and the crew he was with who all perished were not in the towers but another building. One might suspect that some of this nonsense may be instigated by right wing extremists who want to make us all look bad. But I suppose there have to be some nut cases to the far left. We can't all have the corner on sanity. Pat Williams

tho i gotta say...

This is shaping up to be 1 hell of an election: John "classic flavor Asian commie Manchurian Candidate" McCain vs. Barack "fresh new spicy madrassa flavor HUSSEIN Manchurian Candidate" Obama. Who wrote the script for this, Mel Brooks? Monty Python?

Highly inaccurate

this is a dreadful case of lumping & throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Are there foolish & disturbed minds that identify with the left & do so through the construction of wild fantasies? Yes. [the driver turns & fires the fatal shot at JFK. There was automatic weapons fire in Deally Plaza. He was ordered "hit" by the vatican. The 4 commercial flights of 9/11 were replaced by military aircraft shortly after take-off. All media video of what hit the WTC has been altered; no planes impacted the towers that day.] That isn't the point. The point is that a "free people" have become so controlled & restricted by official "keepers of information" that basic facts concerning world changing events are the subject of intense controversy and finding the answer to a simple question can take years of research. I'm confident now in my knowledge of who was where what they did & why that day in 1963. But it was mere moments after the last jigsaw-piece fell into place that i realized: IT MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE what i "know" because we've all been socially conditioned to view this conclusion as just another possible "conspiracy theory" or maybe it was just Oswald by himself after all...i guess we'll never know... It's the difference between reading the conclusion of a double-blind scientific study & saying "this looks like a sound outcome" and reading a blog post and saying "you're obviously a fucking moron". And the events of September 11th 2001 are morphing themselves like November 22 1963 away from "the Official Commission Report is the god's honest impeccable truth" into "some of this isn't completely clear i have unanswered questions." Perhaps we should hunt down the answers to the most intelligent of those question before we dismiss them as conspiratorial brain dropping

A Theory of Bad Conspiracy Theory

I have a theory about this kind of Conspiracy Theory--or Bad Conspiracy Theory, to distinguish it from, for instance, a theory that Bush-Cheney have conspired to undermine the Constitution in various ways, which is a correct theory. I came upon the theory in large part by observing Mike Malloy on his radio program. :) What's on the radio is fair game for criticism. I hypothesize that Bad Conspiracy Theorists prefer stupid theories that go against what they consider "official" stories, because to do so is symbolic of defying authority. It is not actual defiance of authority, because we do have nearly full freedom of speech in the USA; you do not get in trouble for adopting a Bad Conspiracy Theory, as you might in another country. One thing I have noticed is that Bad Conspiracy Theorists can be lazy when it comes to researching their theories--very lazy, if you take into account how important the theories are to them. Malloy, for instance, for a long time demanded that someone show him a picture of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, when there was such a picture at the Flight 77 page of the Wikipedia, there for the having; the picture sucked, but of course it was going to suck, it was made by a fixed, slow, low-resolution security camera; but there it was. Googling turns up a second security camera picture, closer up and thus sucking even more; it also turns up pictures of the light poles that were knocked down, parts of the airplane all over the place, the groove dug by the nose of the plane, many eyewitness reports, and so on. If a person had a theory that none of this happened, and wanted to know if that theory were true, why would he or she not check out all the evidence that it had happened? But the purpose is not to know the truth; it is to possess a symbol of defiance of authority. If this hypothesis is at all correct, maybe it can help us figure out how to combat Bad Conspiracy Theory of any political alignment.

A theory of theory of bad conspiracy theory

If you see a 757 in the gif image on the wikipedia flight 77 page, you suffer from some kind of visual disconnect or have a wild imagination. As yor girlfriend has probably told you that 10 inches you refer to really, truly is only six. I defy you to direct me to photos taken immediately after the crash depicting a groove in the pentagon lawn or debris all over. Why did Dr.Ted Olmstead who was in charge of the DNA identification of flight victims find no DNA evidence for the supposed Arabs on the flight? Why did the original passenger manifest have no Arab names on it? Why did Ted Olson the Solitor General of the U.S. at the time, lie about his wife Barbara Olson making a phone call to him? Why were engine parts found in the crash not off a Boeing 757? Why was there only a 17 foot hole in the facade of the building immediately after the crash before the facade crumbled? The 757 has a wing span of over a hundred feet and a vertical stabilizer three stories high yet there were no marks on the building where the wings tail or engines wouldhave impacted. Maybe your in depth and energetic research on Google can resolve these anomolies. Maybe you can find video footage other than the Pentagon's few frames of murky nonsense. Maybe you can implore the Bush Administration to show all the footage off the dozens of cameras in and around the Pentagon and D.C. that the FBI confiscated.

Preachers and Prophets: Take 2008 Off - Please

I listen to Air America and other progressive AM radio often throughout the day. While this and several progressive blogs have been a tonic in these troubled times, I am often amazed at the really unhinged people that inhabit the margins of the left wing; and I'm a person considered by most life-long Democrats I know as being overly progressive. Consider the uproar over Randi Rhoades suspension yesterday as witnessed by numerous callers on Stephanie Miller's show today. It seemed that most were outraged at Air America for her suspension!! The only reasonable position is to direct that outrage at Randi's misguided and offensive statements made while representing them at a progressive radio station event! It's amazing that we have devolved into such a mess. Our strength comes from our rationality and CIVILITY. Leave the bullying to the denizens of the self rightous, and non-rational Right - they are really better at it. As for the 911 Truth Movement, we all know that serious questions remain unanswered about those events, but don't act like your the oracles of the truth here. Why can't these 'prophets' see that the farther they march to the perimeter, the closer they get to the cliff.

Randi's suspension is okay

Randi's suspension is okay with me; she has ruined her ability to be taken seriously as a critic of Hillary Clinton, by using the language of a personal gripe rather than criticism. We need as many able critics of Hillary Clinton as we can get, because Hillary is really effing up.

Randi Rhoads

Just because Hillary Clinton prostituted her integrity to Richard Scaife, Rupert Murdoch, and Doug Coe; just because because she prostituted her integrity by race baiting, and praising McCain leadership over Obama; just because and is willing to lie about her foreign experience to bolster the publics opinion of her grittiness and leadership abilities doesn't make her a whore. Oh wait! Yes it does!

What ever happened to Free Speech?

I may hate what you say, but I will defend to the death your Right to say it!

Discourse is a good thing. Shutting up is a bad thing. Simple folks.

Let all Americans' say whatever they want, (exclusions only with words that can kill others: Fire in a crowded room, if not true and to instigate killing of someone or group).

But, be prepared to defend your speech. And, to apologize if you have mis-spoken. Many of us do. It is not a crime. Ask for forgiveness and give forgiveness and get over it. There is a difference when a "talking head" or someone in power says something. Give them a few days off and then, if they admit that what they said was wrong, let it be.

Political Correctness is Un-American! We are a Nation built on being loud, abrasive with words, even uncomfortable words, making people think.

All of America is a Free Speech Zone. Even though Bush and Cheney, etal. have tried to make it not so.

Randi Rhodes has proven my mother's point. There is no reason to use crude talk anywhere, anytime. It is a sign of a little mind, or at least one that has lost it's ability" to use adult language, a thinking minds language, to make it's point.

Or anger so large, that words fail you. Happens to the best of us.

I don't care what words you use, I care about what ideals you are standing on.

Many a slivere tongue has sold us a bill of goods, which turns out to be nothing but .......! You fill in the blank.

Political Correctness is not what people think

The term "politically correct" is so overused as to have become generally meaningless. It's called upon whenever anyone wants to denigrate a certain point of view. It's also used when someone wants to insult another person with impunity. Excessive political correctness is seen as a greater offense than prejudice or offensive language. Therefore, someone might say "I know this isn't politically correct, but..." and then go on to tell a racial or ethnic joke, knowing he or she has trumped the issue.

Recently, at a poker game, one of the players told this joke: "Did you hear that they have to set traps around the White House? A coon and a beaver are trying to get in." No kidding! And several players laughed. I immediately, in no uncertain terms, told everyone how offensive it was. And one of the other players (who was laughing) said, "Well, we don't have to be POLITICALLY CORRECT all the time."

That was meant to diminish my protest to irrelevancy. So the morons who thought it was funny could keep on chuckling - not only at the absolutely hilarious joke, but at my "political correctness." HAHAHAHAH

In reality, "politically correct" probably has several meanings, one of which is "to not be a jerk about people who are different from you." That's how it began - progressives and liberals let others know that racial, ethnic, and gender epithets were not acceptable in polite company. Lots of bigots didn't like being told their nastiness was no longer acceptable. This kind of being "politically correct" is most certainly not "unAmerican."

Another meaning is probably "to not be allowed to disagree with the current social or political consensus." That type of "politically correctness" is only unAmerican if it's enforced by the government. Social pressure to conform is as American as apple pie or Sunday dinner at Grandma's house.

I appreciate your eventual conclusions

But you seem to be free-speeching out of both sides of your mouth...or perhaps I speak too loosely. Anyway, Randi can call Hillary those names all day long, every day and no one can stop her. But a private company she works for can discontinue their relationship as a result, as you say, at least for a short time. I think Randi is brilliant but has needs a good la_ (she would agree).

PM carpenter's line of bs

tommyknows I am so totally encouraged by the response to PM's essay that I almost need to say nothing. He sounds like a right wing plant, like a Manchurian Candidate attacking the truth sayers of our era. Nice try PM. Spend a little time telling us your motives next time. Tom

My guess: He's getting paid

to make people think they are getting the TRUTH. The Administration tells nothing but lies, but they did tell us the Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about 9/11.

No Monopoly

The Right does not have a monopoly on kooks, unfortunately. There's plenty to hit John McCain on without going off the deep end of topics. He know nothing about the economy (he said so himself) and we need a leader who can guide the country out of the financial crisis; he wants to continue with war after war after war, but the country wants and end to this war and doesn't want more wars to start; he is running as a military man -- his whole bio tour, everything about his campaign is rooted in his military service and the very idea of military, war, military, war, and the country has said it does not want that (aside from the fact that our military needs serious attention); referring to the previous, John McCain has yet to show any support for the revised GI Bill -- and this is a very serious lapse for the man who is running his entire campaign as a military man; McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy before he was in favor of them now; and the list of real honest-to-god hits-you-at-home issues goes on and on. There's no need for the conspiratorial side of things -- McCain is a huge, massive target with a bullseye drawn on him in regards to the issues. This is a no-brainer. Hit him hard on what counts -- the issues -- and leave the fringe stuff behind.

Sorry for the double post

The site burped when I posted.

You throw the baby out with the bathwater

This article shows your lack of critical thinking skills and your intellectual laziness. It's also a cop out to judge any group of people based on the fringe. Do you think all Christians are hysterical because Pat Robertson blames everything on gays?

Damn the truth if it ruins your point!

"Thomas Jefferson and James Madison actually believed -- really, truly, genuinely believed -- that Alexander Hamilton's formation of the first Bank of the United States was absolute proof "that a Federalist plot was afoot" to restore monarchical rule."

If you watch "The Money Masters" on Google Video, their ideas are explained. I tend to agree with them that having a private corporation control our money supply is not a good thing. The MSM often forgets to tell the USA that the Federal Reserve Corp. is a privately held corporation. It is NOT a part of the US government. The Federal Reserve, like every other corporation, has a duty to maximize profits for its stockholders.

The real power in this country is held by the people that control the purse and Congress is not the one carrying it. If believing facts makes me a conspiracy nut, I plead guilty.

This Tripe is Ripe

Dear holiness of the gate-keepers, I don't know anything about Manchurian candidates, but McCain exhibits signs of PTSD. Many of his collegues have witnessed his uncontrolled rage and impulsive irrational outbursts and his unrepentant racism toward the Vietnamese, "gooks" as he calls them. It's not the Kool- Aid drinkers from the right who have sought to damage the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement. That is to be expected. It is the left wing gatekeeper kool-aid drinkers such as yourself that do the real damage. By the way, being a "Liberal" hardly qualifies you as left or leftist.

PTSD = mind-controlled to

PTSD = mind-controlled to destroy the United States. Have you written a paper on this hypothesis for the psych journals? It seems an extremely important finding. Is it a clinical observation or is there controlled research?

PTSD

Did I say anthing to the effect that PTSD = mind control or did you just make a ludicrous inference and blow it out your ass?

Let's seperate the conspiracies

and let the knowledge wash over us that watching 3 buildings collapse at free fall speed into their respective footprints might reasonably lead one to beleive that something fishy is going on. you throw that "not an ounce of evidence" line out there either knowing you're full of crap and piss scared you might lose your media street cred, orhaving never actually examined the TONS (not ounce) of evidence that very strongly suggests a false flag operation. So let's not compare a legitimate cause with some crackhead who made shit up. Have some freakin integrity for crying out loud

Oh, go do some real

Oh, go do some real research. Wikipedia might be a good place to start. PBS has some good info on the Internet, too, but since any real researcher is well practiced at using Google I don't have to give an URL for it, or for any of the other sources of non-bogus information.

PBS

Is the PBS your source of wisdom? This would explain a lot.

Let's see...

John McCain... a sleeping mole, just like in Battlestar Galactica, brainwashed by the North Vietnamese to destroy America 40 years later...

Hmmmm. Evidence? Let's see, flip flopping on the evangelical right (check), flip flopping on Bush tax cuts (check), The whole "bomb, bomb, bomb, iran' thing"....

I think they're on to something!

Not.

He's just a slimey politician trawling for winger votes.

"Just plain nuts" works for me.

Mindless tripe

What an incredible load of useless opinion that was. "It's just plain nuts.." Now there's a logical argument for you. Has Buzzflash really sunken to such lows?

It's not an argument, it's a

It's not an argument, it's a description.

No it wasn't

No, it was a diatribe.