Hillary's Umpteenth Waterloos

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

And that, as they say, was that. All that's missing is the official kiss on both cheeks.

The Washington Post's understated headline this morning: "Clinton Aides Doubtful About Future." Well, they're the only ones.

Virtually everyone else hip to mathematics has been proceeding for some time now on the crushing assumption that Barack Obama is, has been, and shall remain the chosen one, since he has, has had, and shall retain the lead in every conceivable metric of victory but chutzpah.

He's been shadow boxing not so much an opposing campaign as a swaggering hope, and a ghostly -- as well as increasingly ghastly -- one at that.

Had it not been for the media egging this thing on from their ringside seats, it would have been unambiguously over long ago. For every minute of on-air reality and every line of in-print concession that, yes, the delegate count is what matters and boy it sure is hard to see a way around Obama's decisive lead there, we've been treated to hours and reams of extravagant media speculations on the slimmest alternatives.

She could somehow zoom ahead in the popular vote. She could strongarm the party with rules-violating respect to Florida and Michigan. She could build all this convincing momentum. Golly, folks, she could get together a band! and borrow dad's barn! and stage a rousing Broadway revue!

In Hollywood, maybe, with the dreamy assistance of Oliver Stone. But back on Earth, the nomination has been nailed down for weeks, months, eons.

I must admit, I'm going to miss the fading senator from New York. I'm already feeling as "wistful" as she has been described of late. No more misty-eyed moments, no more tall tales from southeast Europe, no more blistering doubts about her party's nominee as commander in chief, no more emetic pandering and carefree holidays from political, economic and fiscal reality. Until, of course, we all start covering John McCain, who is now the suddenly deprived commentariat's only hope for amusement.

Still -- what's this? -- the contemporary burlesque may not be over yet. There are indications of more zany, madcap hijinks to come.

However much the Washington Post wished to convey the doubtfulness of encore presentations, the New York Times -- probably in a moment of depressed stupor as to how it will otherwise fill all that empty space -- has chosen this more hopeful headline: "Clinton Vows to Continue Her Run." Oh boy.

Well, reading further, one finds she only sort of, kind of vowed to continue her run:

"Tonight we’ve come from behind -- we’ve broken the tie," the Times quoted Mrs. Clinton in her sort of Indiana victory speech, also noting in an especially touching passage that standing nearby was hubby Bill, "wip[ing] away a tear." His glandular moment came, I'm sure, from his wife's words that followed: "But I can assure you, as I’ve said on many occasions, no matter what happens I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party."

Were I Mr. Obama I'd be thoughtfully tempted to decline her most generous offer. For I can hear her now, on the campaign stump or in some coast-to-coast network interview: "Sure, he'd make a terrific commander in chief, as far as I know."

Even more appalling than the thought of Hillary merely lending a hand on the stump is the thought of Hillary more fully lending herself as the vice-presidential candidate, an offer from Obama's side that almost certainly will have to be extended. Whether she would accept is the only and truly legitimate doubt left in this primary season. We know not the answer emerging from Hillary and Bill's huddling: "How can we do him more harm and better position ourselves for 2012 -- as a surrogate, or as his v.p. pick?"

But, that comedy we shall savor later. For now, according to the Post, "Clinton plans to continue to reach out to working-class voters with her plan for a gas tax 'holiday.'" (Why not go whole hog and demand that Warren Buffett foot this summer's Social Security payroll taxes?)

Or at least such endless reaching out is the campaign's official story. Money, however, or rather her lack of it, may present itself as a trifle bump in the road. The media now have a new story to plug -- Alert: Hillary is desperately behind! -- which won't exactly make those fundraising phones jingle.

So, who knows? Perhaps, out of necessity, if nothing else, she'll surprise us and do the decent thing: Go home.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

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We are going to need every Clinton supporter to help elect Obama. What you have seen in the primary, you will see in clubs in the general. When the electro-magnet is turned on this fall, you will see the nation polarized just as in the last election. We can't afford to demagnetize any Democratic voter for the sake of revenge or any other motive.

How about a graceful exit?

I'd like to see Hillary do the best thing for everyone and withdraw gracefully and start working for the Democratic party in whatever way she can to help Obama win. It's about unifying and inclusion, and all Democrats need to be involved.

Who needs 'em

Clinton said: "But I can assure you, as I’ve said on many occasions, no matter what happens I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party." Were I Mr. Obama I'd be thoughtfully tempted to decline her most generous offer.

I couldn't agree more. Who needs Clinton and any or all of her worthless supporters? They can't be trusted and they have ruined the Democratic Party. I say we should just tell anyone who has ever thought or said anything good about Hillary or that hasn't called her all kinds of names -- that they are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party. We should compare the voter rolls from the primaries and the general election to weed out those who have made the mistake of ever voting for her. It should be clear that if you have not supported our beloved Obama from the beginning, then your voting rights are revoked and your vote (even for Obama) will not ever be counted again. Hillary Clinton supporters must be punished as an example to all those who dare to rebuke America's savior, Mr Barack.

obamabeliever

Be careful what you wish for!! He may only carry one state in the General election. Illinois!

But You're NOT Racist, Thomas M

Naw, not at ALL racist! Only people who call you on your racism are "racist", do I have that right? Just checking....

Boy, having read through the

Boy, having read through the comments, I think some people need to be taken out to the ice cream shop for some diversion.

I never bought the 2012

I never bought the 2012 theory, and still don't. This was all about 2008. The 2012 theory was always based on the assumption that Hillary Clinton had accepted her loss in 2008; every time Clinton tried a "knock-out punch" on Obama was evidence against the 2012 theory--it was evidence that she wanted to force Obama to withdraw his candidacy, much as the impeachment Bill Clinton was supposed to get him to resign. A 2012 strategy would have required more subtle undermining, as was done to George H. W. Bush in 1992 from within his own party.

Last Night and Todays Activities.....

Indicate to me just how important (and relevant), it is to make sure Hillary and her ilk NEVER set foot near the Presidency---in ANY form or capacity. "Obliteration" aside.

I found that little worm, Lanny Davis, appalling last night on CNN--he was as petulent and immature as a pouting 3-year old realizing that there will be no present under the tree THIS year. Anderson merely asked him if he had anything he wanted to add, he pouted and muttered, "are you sure you want to hear what I have to say?"---well, now that you mention it---hell no!

Hillary is no better; in one of the most discombobulated, disjointed, double speeches in recent memory---she was for it (quitting) before she was against it. (to paraphrase the last election). Well, in the gathering morning lights of a brand new day---we see what the snakes were conspiring during the night.

First thing this morning, her agents were trying desperately to seize the message with a hastily (and sloppy) devised plan to an all too willing, compliant media to proceed thru to the W.H.; The msg rapidly proceeded to how (already)--she has 'found' her voice---(again), and has matured into a 'masterful' politician! Surreal. Ironically, while the message below her image was broadcasting 'breaking news' of the LIES (yes, Yboy...LIES) she told immediately AFTER Pennsylvania about $6.4 mil "donated" to her campaign LAST MONTH---as she deliberately LIED, once again, that these donations were from appreciative supporters.

This womans madness is now progressing to an obviously visual stage of operating in a world parellel to the real one. I quess this is what happens when you LUST for something all your life--and that reality is slipping away. She seems to no longer care that we see how unstable she has become. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. There is no way (except in an delusional mind) that she can glean anything better than a TIE from Indiana; and N.C. is simply not even worth discussing. Her options, as such, are KAPUT! If she continues to progress along these obvious 'other-worldly' realities---EVEN I will start feeling sorry for her soon----NOT!

Once again, shes clearly demonstrating that its Hillary, and ONLY Hillary, that REALLY counts in her sad, little deluded world.

I rarely disagree...

...with PM, but your point about Obama extending the VP to Hillary as "an offer from Obama's side that almost certainly will have to be extended" is a faulty assumption. Nancy Pelosi and other party leaders have given Barack the excuse to nix that obligation. Also, the longer Hillary stays in after last night, the less that mistake is possible. Can you imagine having to couple up Obama's burden of Rev. Wright, lapel pins, the elitism label, and being a closeted Muslim with the Clinton's baggage!!!! Jim Webb or Wesley Clark would be much better. Your assumed obligation reminds me of what the British say about greeting the queen with an obligatory kiss...."it's a great honor, but no one wants to do it"!

Will B....

I agree; in addition to that, I don't think an offer will even be extended, for fear that she MIGHT possibly ACCEPT it! Further, because she doesn't recognize restraint, she will become over the next few days, I'm sure, the summer guest who's still there on your sofa at Christmas.

She will willfully attempt to topple any and all obstructions in the next few weeks, operating under the flawed assumption that "shes doing this for those working-class folks" she promised, and if this doesn't work: then its for the people of Michigan and Florida. When in reality---it was NEVER any more then her 'acting out' her own self-indulgence. She won't end it then, because, I think, she TRULY fears the 'depraved abruptness of nothingness and nobodiness'...that will soon become her world.

Its frightening to realize how she literally has no realization that she WILL NEVER RE-CAPTURE the trust of the Black community EVER AGAIN; therefore, having absolutely no chance of ever being nominated. The super-delgates will have already begun their defection (and flow) to Obamas camp. Hillary will, (now openly), fund her campaign 'til Bill pulls a 'Romney' on her; she'll continue to stoke the race-baiting innuendo---as thats ALL she now has left to fight with (legacy be damned); and continue to not only WAIT for Obama to falter---but, will constructively (DEstructively??) aid and abet the potentiality of this "incident" in any way she can. For all the drivel that we now hear of her 'waiting and hoping' for Obama to "self-destruct"---its safe to assume---she'll try to initiate it (again).

I think by the time we reach the August convention---I'm predicting Hillary will be a historical fragment of her former self; suffering loss of prestige, reputation and stature......simply because she never learned when to say "when".

Then there's only one thing for us New Yorkers to do

and that's GIVE nothingness and nobodyness to her, by running a progressive Democratic candidate and unseating her when her current Senate term is up.

You got that right...

Same goes for Schumer and anyone else who voted to give guns to lunatics.

Only one way

that Hillary will be picked as Vice President, and that is if McCain picks her. It might not be a bad idea really, for the Repugs. Many Dems say they will never vote for Obama, and the Repugs just love her! I wonder what Rush is thinking now that his operation chaos has not worked out so well for him nor for his beloved!!!

MickeyG------

Now, thats FUNNY....and it would be interesting to see. Can you imagine how Ann Coulter would be pulling those black roots out in A STATE OF CONFUSION ?? Rush Slimebaugh would nervously fritter away, say, 250 lbs in weight-loss; And I promise you McInsane would suffer a VERY fatal, yet mysterious, heart-attack in the first 10 days in office---can you say, Jan.30th?.....and Shammity would finally admit himself to much needed therapy. BUT, what would WE ALL do with that MONSTROUS influx of Repugs we would gain in the Dem party---with all of them running to us for sanctuary ??

It would ALMOST make me happily vote for the Repugs, thereby, guaranteeing they would get (AND KEEP) her! You know the old joke: take my wife--NO---TAKE MY WIFE!!

This idea of yours has unlimited potential----I LIKE IT !!

SNL Had The Clintons Knocked

when they did the sketch where Hillary pretended to concede - then yelled, "PSYCH! I'm NEVER leaving!", followed by that maniacal laugh she does that she seems to think makes her more "human"...or something.... Even now, you can bet she and her handlers are eagerly looking to break the Democratic Party in two by forcing her way to somehow steal the nomination.

Her behavior, and the behavior of her surrogates from Mark Penn and Geraldine Ferraro down to the Hillary Apologists like Thomas M and Yman on here, have turned me from a person willing if not eager to vote for Clinton to someone thinking she doesn't even deserve to be my Senator anymore....

Ah drprodny ...

... as usual, engaging in mindreading. You should hang a shingle .... make a little money on the side.

You were offended? ............... That's a shame.

BTW - Tell us about how she's your Senator again. The very thought makes me smile ..... again, and again, and again ...

Alea iacta est...

...Olde Boy

BTW....

That puckering sound you hear is the tightening up of your sphincter muscle around your brain as you slowly realize the inevitable defeat of your precious Hillary.

When, in the next few days or weeks---she is FINALLY ENCOURAGED TO EXIT STAGE RIGHT--(which was her natural bent anyway), it will be interesting Mr. Yboy, to see if you support Obama as enthusiastically as you supported Hill----somehow I doubt it.

You seem a little obsessed ...

... about my sphincter, Red. It's a little creepy, to be honest.

BTW - When have I ever said I would defend Obama as "enthusiastically" as I have Hillary? Must be another of your hallucinations. I'll vote for him, and I'll be proud to have him as my President. There's a lot of things I like about him. But Obama doesn't need any more supporters here at BF ........ and I wouldn't lift my little finger to aid any of the little subset of delusional, slimy Clinton-haters, some of whom support him.

BBTW - "Hill"? ....... Are you two close?

And YOU seem highly delusional......

naw---punk, don't fall into your typical little self-defenses of emphasizing whats not there. I could care less what 'creeps' you out. If it did----great! Happy to oblige--more of the same WILL FOLLOW....

You see, your typical argument, as I've stated to you before, is one of DEFLECTION. Read it AGAIN, jerk---I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT---I SAID IT! ....ABOUT YOU...must be another one of YOUR hallucinations.

So, as I've always suspected about you--you're so enamored and inured with your own low-wattage luminosity, and overly-inflated sense of smug, self importance...you often over-look the facts of whats right before you. You love the resplendent luster of your own shallow mind and opinions. When, in truth, all it serves to do is blind you by your own light. You intimidate and cower others with your obsessive 'google-ing'....always trying to prove--"you've got the "bigger one",.....and then passing it off as some sort of "learned" exercise or experience-----I see you for what you are---an arrogant little twerp.....hiding behind the internet.

Little one-dimensional creeps like you thriving for a venue to exercise your testosterone-less fantasies of 'combat' with anyone/everyone on this thread----all the while hiding in your little cocoon of anonymity---only serves, in the end, to make you very much like our 'fearless' leader and all his republican cowards, er, I mean,...cohorts. Your false(tto) bravado only makes you a neighborhood gadfly; an annoying drone on the peripherary of, and the reality that is, everyone elses existence. You are the extra-noisy 'boom-box'; the garishly painted auto; the overly-painted bimbo; the show-off two year old----frantically waving his hands (or in your case---mouth), in the hopes that SOMEONE, ANYONE,---will recognize your pseudo-reality, but not the vacuousness, of your meager and measly existence..........I, for one, am quite sick of you.

IF you tried---just once---to reach out to someone on this thread in a positive manner, I would keep my opinions to myself. BUT, after MONTHS of watching you do NOTHING but either ATTACK anyone you deem 'vulnerable', or, worse still, watching you hypocritically flaunting your SUPPOSED 'superior' intelligence on what you think are 'easy marks'----I have volunteered to be your next 'target'----and we'll see just what kind of REAL BULLY YOU ARE---LITTLE MAN.

You see---the BOTH of us, I'd venture to say, have a history of calling folks out on here---but the difference between me and you?

You wrote: "wouldn't lift my little finger to aid any of the little subset of delusional, slimy Clinton-haters...."

THIS tells me YOU need to develop another hobby---because IF you're SUPPOSE to be, as you profess, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE FENCE, as these people, and THIS is the condescending opinion YOU have of them, it JUSTIFIES my very LOW opinion of YOU; and also, clearly demonstrates to me---WHAT and HOW you will feel toward your fellow party-members AFTER June 1st, when your heroine has met her timely demise. You will bring only discord (as usual).

You act AS IF generic comments made on a PUBLIC THREAD, about another distant person (a PUBLIC FIGURE, at that); one completely oblivious to your insignificant, petty, little existence, is somehow, the special province of your divine Buzzflash protections, well, to me, THAT places YOU well within the realm 'of the little subset of (those) delusional...'

As far as ME ?? I'll call HILL what I damn well want too......I DON'T NEED YOUR APPROVAL. FRANKLY...YOU CAN KISS MY......

See ... you're still doing it

Except now you're openly asking me to kiss your ..........?????

BTW - Still haven't rented it yet, have you? "Anger Management" - Jack Nicholson, Adam Sandler, 2003. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305224/ . Check it out ..... seriously.

Only Because.....

I assumed as much as you've practiced kissing Hillarys ASS throughout the body of your work here---it would be something (realistically, the ONLY thing......) YOU would be good at!

Additionally, you're either running out of material, ideas...or both, because the 'Anger Management' thing----you've used here, at least, TWICE before. SSSOOOO.......

As I've noticed before---you possess neither the DEPTH of a sheet of paper, nor, as much CONTENT as a blank one.

I know I've used it, Red

That's why I said "STILL haven't rented it" - you STILL need it. Hey, it's lot cheaper than therapy.

More importantly, I'm starting to get the idea that you don't like me .... Say it isn't so, Red!.

CAN'T....

I'm not as proficient or adept at lying as you; it'll take some practice---but I know this discourse with you will allow me the opportunity to experience it.....first hand.

Speaking of past references....as far as the "Anger Management" thing goes....I seem to recall TELLING YOU that grabbing you around your arrogant little neck....would be ALL the THERAPY I need----it would even be down-right cathartic!

Funny----when YOU are being challenged, you opine that I need therapy, yet, when you denigrate DarleneM, or felinetta, or others---you think you're being "persuasive"; no, you're just being you----a bully. But, like all bullies..YOU don't like it when its YOU being challenged---now, do you? Classic bully mentality.

You wrote: "I'm starting to get the idea that you don't like me ...." Well, at least, you FINALLY posted.....a fact.

Kinky, huh Red?

First you're imagining my sphincter tightening, then changing my name to Y"boy", then me kissing your ???, now asphyxiophilia? Red, Red, Red! (Oh, was I repeating myself again?) ........ I know you like to go all "Dirty Harry", but now I get it .......

........ you like to go all "DIRRRRRRRRRRRTY" Harry.

BTW - My BTWs irritate you?

YGirl-----Not Your BTW's----Its Just YOU....

You can go and childishly keep avoiding the issue I've proposed to you, but, you fail to understand---I'll make the declaration..FOR YOU. So, consider it done.

All you're doing is proving my point, that is, that you're nothing but a puerile little urchin, who falsely takes security behind his silly little self-amusing, so-called "witticisms". The beauty of this thread is---I'm NOT going to sit here and go tit-for-tat with you on everyone of your silly little imputs----I'LL DECIDE when and where I want to engage you.

But everytime YOU SIT THERE AND DECIDE EVERY POSTER MALE, OR FEMALE, YOU DISAGREE WITH...is fair game for YOUR maniacal, faux fact-check laden screeds---I'm going to let you know it. just in case you missed what I thought of you the other day; I'm going to give you a chance to review it:

To me, you perceive yourself to be some sort of final arbiter of all that anyone says here....as if, your detailed dissections (and subsequent criticisms) of THEIR comments is the indicator of whether those opinions have any validity of not. YOU are so full of yourself, so vain, so pompous....so self-righteously arrogant.

Your hubris---as such it is, fouls up and seeps into the very vectors of this thread and the sewage smells from your egocentric, self-absorbed comments linger a full week after you've departed. This is what I think of you, Yboy: NEVER have I heard you extend ANY encouragement, ANY support, or even simply, ANY acknowledgement that ANYONES opinion---has ANY merit----SAVE YOUR OWN.

This is what I find so detestable about you and your delivery of YOUR opinions,---for they are nothing more. It is not debate. It is not exchange. It is not intellectual repartee. It is not even pointing out a different perspective. It is merely YOU----taking some kind of macabre GLEE in humiliating, in denigrating, what should be, a fellow comrade-in-party. EVEN if you feel there is some sort of disparity, or imbalance, in what you perceive to be a 'ganging on' of Hillary, than even with THAT, at SOME point in time, some comment you posted, some observation you made,....would be balanced by an honest assessment of what many profess here as easily verifiable and documented FACT, of truly detestable things that Hillary HAS ACTUALLY SAID, OR DONE. BUT the way you address,....no,....CHALLENGE someone to prove what YOU already know to be true, its no wonder then, that , THE INCLINATION IS NOT THERE TO "PROVE" ANYTHING TO YOU. You simply are not WORTH THE EFFORT. Further, no one feels an engagement with you is...'sharing' knowledge, but rather, a long, drawn out tit-for-tat process of 'out-googling' each other to see who's found the so-called 'best' cites to support your specious screeds of nonsense---this is all you do when challenged. You are no more than an frustrated gadfly; an intellectual property 'bandit'.

Further, the problem with YOU is, even with this post, you will IGNORE any of these (or anyone else's) OPINIONS AND OBSERVATIONS,; in fact, you then, if you disagree with them, DEMAND they back them up with some cite---to accommodate YOUR opinion of a subject you are already well-versed on, i.e., Hillary. You cannot pick WHAT to ignore, and then DEMAND they produce proof for what you already KNOW to be the truth. It is not about 'enlightening' you---that is impossible. Nor, is it about sharing information, because you already think you know everything. Nor, is it about THEIR INSIGHTS--BECAUSE YOU DO NOT RESPECT THEM ENOUGH TO THINK THEY HAVE ANY. So, in essence, its all about---YOU.

There are no professional investigators here, nor paid essayists, or career journalists that need to "vet" each and every comment they make. Yet, you are FOREVER INSISTING THAT THEY DO SO-----TO PLEASE YOU! I see YOUR conceited posts---you make more egocentric generalizations than any ten people here----do you cite 30 %, or 40 %, or even HALF OF YOUR FATUOUS,INANE RAMBLINGS? I think not! I'm no saint, nor do I pretend to be; I am as hard on certain people here as you; people I perceive to be fraudently deceptive; but you, my friend, are virtually a one-man, self-appointed tribunal of insipid stupidity, attacking (at your leisure) anyone---all up and down this thread, as if YOU were the BF proferred "Thread Police" of proper protocol.

Take the above example, what discredits YOUR imput, or repudiates your comments is that YOU PURPOSELY do silly little time-consuming verbal gymnastics---about, WHATS IMPORTANT TO YOU. When felinetta posted HER comments about Hillary...it was not ABOUT YOUR BLASTED, INANE ARGUMENT OF COUNTING "I's"---it was about the SPIRIT of Hillary's rhetorical content. That is, her whole focus, her entire inner-purpose, is one of self-serving "me-ism's", as opposed to Obama's constant assertions that it is---ABOUT US! ABOUT WE!----and YOU KNOW THIS---but you, as usual, would rather flex your narcissistic 'ego' muscle and glory in your tepid, little witless witticisms like "Goldilocks and the three bears"..." that you often seem to find so cute. I've told you before--you're more interested in your own "satire"---without realizing that the REAL COMEDY----is you! And what is truly sad....is that you don't even realize it.

No one here is confused about the human-ness, or imperfections, of Obama, in terms of human failings, those views are stated here too; if not stated here enough for your satisfaction----than certainly at any of those anti-Obama web-sites that, in fact, you need to consider finding. You would be right at home. You seem to envision yourself as some shining white-Knight guardian of maid Hillary's virtuous honor, by defending fair maiden against all who dare to deign her dignity by making callous statements of her virtue. When in reality you are no more than some quasi Don Quixote fighting every imaginary wind-mill you deem to find on this thread. Ironically, you want to defend her honor against ALL the people YOU CLAIM to be fellows with. (yeah, I like to dangle my participles----so what??) You see my point?---WE ALL make mistakes here, and frankly, I'm quite tired, of having to sift through all your fault-finding exercises in ignorance to read the real posts that have REAL VALUE and MERIT, as opposed to the meandering mush of mental midgets like yourself.

If you are not careful, son.....soon your posts will be like the baleful wailing of a lost pup in the woods----you'll whine and yelp forevermore, increasingly so...until you finally realize...that no one is listening to you anymore........because no one will care about whatever it is you have to say.

BTW - TELL ME----IF YOU'RE GETTING THAT FEELING OF DEJA VU---BBBWWAAAHAHHHAAAHAHAHHAHA!!!

Don't mind me, Red Baron - just sitting here

watching you kick Yman's scrawny Rethug Lite DLC "centrist" ass all over BuzzFlash....

The sad thing was, it's guys like him that have caused my gorge to rise regarding Mrs. Clinton - maybe even more than The Clintons' unprincipled, sleazy, and sometimes outright racist campaign style has. You know he'll never, ever vote for Obama - naw, he'll tell himself he's too "principled" to compromise, and vote for McCain instead.

"Mission Accomplished", huh drprodny?

Ahhhhhh .... if only saying it made it true. Alas ... it does not. Like Dubya's "Mission Accomplished", or Clinton's "pledge" that the delegates from Florida and Michigan wouldn't be seated.

BTW - You may have a point about not voting for Obama ........... are you trying to convince me?

No, Yman -

I Just Know You're The Kind of "Bushivek Dimcrack" who WOULD....

Now, be a good boy, take your ball, and go home. Let those of us w/a brain and a conscience do what we can to elect Obama - and save this country from ingrates like you....

Ummmm .... It was sarcasm ....

Didn't think you really wanted me to vote for McCain. I have to explain that to you? ...... Yeeeesh!

BTW - When did you get a brain? You should check the return policy ...

You should get a cape ...

... with a big "BF" on it! (Noooo .... not THAT - we know how your mind works, Dirty Harry .... BF for "Buzzflash"). C'mon .... I'll even pitch in. As long as you promise to post a picture for everyone. Oooooh! - Maybe a flight suit underneath with a codpiece, like Dubya (NOW you're startin' to like it, huh?)

BTW - Were you expecting me to actually READ your post above?

.......... Sorry.

FAKE.....AS USUAL......

Yboy (or Ygirl), you wrote:

"BTW - Were you expecting me to actually READ your post above?"

I wrote earlier:

"Further, the problem with YOU is, even with this post, you will IGNORE any of these (or anyone else's) OPINIONS AND OBSERVATIONS....."

YOU MAKE MY POINT ABOUT YOU...in two ways; the above example....AND the fact that you're a habitual liar.

YOU READ IT......now, if ONLY you'd HEED it.

Now you're making even less sense...

... than usual, Harry. Because I responded you think I bothered to read it?

BTW - "Heed" your wishes? Your tone sounds like you're actually serious .......

Doc Prodny's right.....

You've NEVER been anything more than a Hillary apologist. Ironically---it was NEVER FOR Hillary--it was simply for your own self-absorbed fascination.

All that you say and do each day on this thread is comparable to mental masturbation--stroking yourself off for no functional or practical gain. You are simply the deaf-mute who likes the sound of his own voice.

And obviously, given your obliviousness to ALL that Hillary perpetuates, you are equally as deficient in the sight department.

C'mon Red .... Do the Clint Eastwood ending ...

You know the one ... "I'll be back soon ... Count on it." Seriously. It'll keep me smiling for days if you would! PLEASE! For me?

BTW - This is at least the second fantasy you've had that involves me masturbating, and you just got done talking about my sphincter. Plus, you've managed to work "boy" into my name. Now it's all coming together .............

Maybe you should offer to buy me dinner first.

Yboy, or, if you prefer:Ygirl---GETS YOU EXCITED....huh?

As I've said before....you can protect yourself with, (and behind), your infantile quibblings, and continue to impress your audience of one, (yourself), with the 'brilliance' of your wit(lessness)----

but, when you're ready to get down to brass tacks (with me, or anyone else) on this thread.....you'll know I've been there.

As for the scatological references you're so fond of homing in on, it'll make more sense, as time goes by, but, by then, ----it'll be too late...you see, I've had, literally, months to check out your warped, anti-social personality quirks and traits...and I'm going to peel (and reveal) them all---for the whole thread to see. It'll be like stripping the clothes off a cowardly, sexually repressed, little bully.

Maybe then---you'll learn a little empathy for all the others you've intimidated since you've commenced your little "mission" here.............skeeze.

Now THAT'S more like it Red!

"When you're ready to get down to brass tacks (with me, or anyone else) on this thread.....you'll know I've been there."

and

"I'm going to peel (and reveal) them all---for the whole thread to see. It'll be like stripping the clothes off a cowardly, sexually repressed, little bully."

Now THAT'S more like it! Not quite the panache of "Do you feel lucky, punk?", but certainly WAAAAY closer to something "Dirty" Harry Callahan would say. Well ....... ya know. If Dirty Harry was a skinny, little 12 year old in his underwear typing it anonymously into his computer, while pointing a water pistol at his computer screen. You see what I mean? I mean, SERIOUSLY funny, right? Maybe Epic Movie 2? It's the first time I've ever printed out a post. I'm keeping it right here so I can re-read it whenever I need a little "pick me up" .... Thanks!

BTW - Have you counted the number of sexual references in your posts? Forget "Anger Management" ......... I think some good old porn may help you out even more. "Two birds with one stone," so to speak. :}

happy to please----chump!

First of all---you REALLY should strive to be original---I'm forcing you to break out all your retreads, aren't I?

You wrote (again): " If Dirty Harry was a skinny, little 12 year old in his underwear typing it anonymously into his computer, while pointing a water pistol at his computer screen. You see what I mean? I mean, SERIOUSLY funny, right?"

Your tired old recycled lines gives me a feeling of 'Deja Vu'; this is, what? second time through this one?----is this what its like inside the mind of a delusional, severely autistic 20 year old snot-nose, idiot savant? Stutter and repeat; stutter and repeat.....

I notice something about you---you're fond of telling others, like DrProdny or Bettysdad, to go back and address some non-issue you've raised and provide you with cites---but you're swinging a wide berth around the challenge I directed to you with your inane, trite, juvenile postings. MINE is simple---take up the challenge I presented you....and we'll go at it from there. PUNK.

BTW,...BTW,....BTW....BTW...

So sorry, Red ...

You never responded to the old post, so I wanted to make sure you got the point. Besides, I can't help it ............ I love it when you play tough guy. :)

BTW - Does that ................ bother you?

Clinton

There are many of us that want Sen. Clinton to win. Alas I and my family are in Florida

Then you all......

Need mental evaluations. As for living in Florida....well, that does say it all.

Let's be fair about this, Red Baron

It's not the voters of Florida's or Michigan's fault that their parties decided to have their campaigns out of order, despite their being told the consequences of doing so - and ALL the candidates at that time agreeing in writing that if both states did so, the votes would be considered invalid. It's not even the voters of Florida's or Michigan's fault that an increasingly-desperate Hillary Rodham Clinton is holding out hope that SHE will take their delegates and votes, even though it means she'll have to go back on her word if b/c to her momentary political advantage. Problem is, these disputed primaries have long been what Clinton's held over the DNC's head to make sure they pick for her, her and ONLY her as the Democratic nominee - so voters like the ones who wrote the original comment here are, in essence, being held hostage by the very person they want to vote for.

I still think the DNC should have helped put up the money to let both Michigan and Florida host a do-over, so this could be decided fair and square. That they're not calls whoever wins the Democratic nomination's legitimacy into question - and yes, Thomas and Yman, taking those delegates and votes would ultimately hurt Mrs. Clinton a lot worse than urging do-over conventions would, b/c if they were what helped but her over the top, that would call HER legitimacy into question....

Red - it's just my initials

"D.R." - like J.R. Ewing?

No deliberate deception regarding my having a Doctorate in anything (well, except maybe in Divinity from Yail Bloor Night School and Chemical Supplies) was intended or implied.... :D

Kazart!

Dang....

Then I hope you don't mind....I kind of like callin' you "Doc"....

Doc....I Agree....

I do not hold the citizens of Florida or Michigan liable or responsible. I'm very aware of the Fl. Dem partys self-serving arrogance (and complicity) with Charlie Crisp & Co. to usurp the will of the DNC---my take on that? You dance to the music; you have to pay the band. So its ante-up time for them.

My comments are not directed to them (voters), per se, as a whole. I have a problem with that select few, who, because of Hillarys duplicitous and devious campaign on their behalf, which, as you pointed out, is really a thinly veiled cover for her own ambitions; she has led them to believe, somehow, that she is their savior, of sorts. And they feel she is the one who is "looking out for them"---when, she, in fact, couldn't care less about them. So some of them are getting pissed on and made to believe its raining lemonade. To me, its a microcosm of what is the prevailing madness affecting our party today.

Thus, my comments above. However, your comments are right, and I agree.

BTW: (been a lot of this lately): Is it "dr" as in initials; or "dr" as in Doctor?

RedBaronSIU

You really are sick! I mean really sick!!!

Thank You.......TommieM

Because I've read of few of your brainless posts, and robotronic sophistry and I've been meaning to say a few things to you.

I haven't as of yet, because, first of all, others,(like WillB and Clemsy Diggs), have already successfully lambasted your idiotic "insights"; and secondly, I've been busy; and its been a long time since I've had to regress to 3rd grade level to converse with someone....in crayon. But for you....I'm going to make an exception.

So if the content of your "sane" posts, along with that OTHER fool, Yboy, is indicative of SANITY, and mental or moral efficacy, to me, similar to the "family values" of the Repugs, (and we know how THAT turned out); then you're right.

I'm sick, sick, sick .........and then some.

After YOUR Constant Ad Hominem attacks on anyone who

fails to worship at Hillary's feet, Thomas M, I can't BELIEVE you have the gall to say that.

Well, yes I can actually - b/c look at the ad hominem attacks that are your candidate of choice's preferred method of campaigning! Like I've said to Yman above, it's people like you two, as much as Clinton and her official surrogates, that have really REALLY put me off her....

The Republican Party...

...would like to thank Senator Clinton for researching all Barack Obamas flaws, weak links and easily spun irrelevancies. This will make their job of typical slimey campaigning much easier. All they have to do is add some exclamation points, strategically placed capitol letters and a few not so subtle pictures of Saddam HUSSEIN and Barack Obama, er Osama Obama, um Osama bin Laden.

Whew! It's working already!

Will she ever go away?

"Even more appalling than the thought of Hillary merely lending a hand on the stump is the thought of Hillary more fully lending herself as the vice-presidential candidate, an offer from Obama's side that almost certainly will have to be extended..." Dear God, is that how it works? Are politics so rotten in this country that the assumed nominee can't even pick his own VP? Talk about a fox in the henhouse, if he picks her. I'm willing to bet that he has the cohones to deviate from this tired old custom and choose his own man (or woman). I believe Michele Obama will have some say into this as I think she has a visceral dislike of the Clintons, and rightly so. It was Hillary's people that flogged the Rev. Wright thing to the forefront, after all. I am so tired of this awful woman (Clinton)and wish she would go away for good.